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Russian Ukrainian Adventures Newsletter – Summer 2014.
It has been a while since we sent out a newsletter, several years in fact. So we thought one was long overdue.
We would like to bring you up-to-date on the happenings at RUA in recent months.
The Forum Continues To Go From Strength to Strength!
The forum has been rather busy in recent months. We remain not only the busiest Russian women information discussion forum on the net by far, but we are also now the largest by a sizeable margin, and have been for some time.
As RUA continues to grow, so does our membership. We picked up many more new members recently following our decision to close our sister site GoGabber.com (the old Lucky Lovers forum) to new posts. That resulted in a much welcomed influx or Russian and Ukrainian ladies to RUA. If you have recently joined us from GoGabber – welcome! You are in good company. You will find many people you already know here.
Unless you have been hiding under a rock the last few months, you will know about the troubles in Ukraine. As you would expect, the forum is replete with conversation and lively debate on the subject, and as it is such an emotive subject for many people, the topics have been quite frenetic. Continue reading
Она не верила в сайты знакомств до тех пор, пока мой муж чуть ли не силком заставил ее выслать ему ее любимую фотографию и сам собственноручно открыл ей страничку на том самом сайте, где мы встретили друг друга (www.luckylovers.net) Указал ее возраст- написал ей в анкете какие-то интересы …и она стла ждать.
Мужчины кинулись писать часто и много. Но она совсем не знала английского, а тех курсов, на которые она ходила чуть ли не целых два года, как оказалось, недостаточно даже для элементарного понимания. Западным мужчинам же хочется романтики. Хочется видеть женщину по вебкамере и кричать ей по Skype какая она прекрасная и слышать что-то в ответ.
Что-то, что можно понять. Она же только махала рукой, смеялась от смущения и как девочка посылала бесконечные воздушные поцелуи. Что она могла сказать в ответ? Мужчины исчезали с такой же скоростью, что и появлялись. (К новичкам на сайтах знакомств всегда повышенные интерес. Но стоит упустить “первую волну” интереса.. и, считай, все пропало. Не подал себя как следует сразу- потом не наверстать.
Но два претендента на руку и сердце так с самого начала и остались с нашей героиней. Не отвалилсиь по пути. Не потерялись. Ежедневные длиннющие письма и бескрайнее терпение к ее ответам, состоящим из двух-трех предложений. Первый – геренал американской армии, по внешнему виду метис, он буквально завалил ее своими фотоснимками.
То вот он, коротко стриженый и совершенно седой со шлемом пилота в руках и за штурвалом военного истребителя. А вот – в кителе, увешанный наградами. А тут он командует. А вот он в обнимку с дочкой, – светлокожей длинноногой красавицей лет семнадцати. Пишет, что собирается выйти на пенсию.
И вот-вот, стоит лишь чуть-чуть подождать, – они увидятся. Он прилетит к ней, своей жене ( “женой” от стал звать ее уже с пятого, кажется, письма)хоть куда. Хоть на край всвета. И все у них будет хорошо. Она не будет больше никогда работать, потому что денег у него много и все, чем они будут заниматься, – это любить друг друга и путешествоавать.
Он писал красивые длинные -предлинные письма с морем орфографических ошибок. Я прочла по просьбе моей подруги парочку из них и подумала:”Бывает же Любовь!” Муж прочел (уже по моей просьбе) и удивился, отчего генерал американской армии пишет с ошибками?
– Так он же нерусский!- встаю я на защиту Любви.
-Но он же генерал американской армии, а не русской! Американцы в нашей армии – исключительно люди грамотные., – не сдается муж.
– Да, он генерал американской армии, но он же из Афганистана пишет. Он же там воюет! – брызгаю я слюной.
– Ну, Марина, что на это сказать? Остается единственная версия в его пользу:он слишком долго уже живет и воюет в Афганистане. Continue reading
Reviewing Anastasia Date -Two models for agency financial success:
Various different forum threads have reported the recruitment of ‘Translators’ and ‘Interpreters’ into the agencies that feed Anastasia Date.
There are both agency descriptions (of how to recruit TERPS) in the home site and there are advertisements that were previously reported here and on various online forums.
This recruitment for paid ‘translators’ is indicative of a model for having women appear on camera or on chat to deceive the men users into thinking that they are chatting with someone who wants to find a husband. In a recent post, we see that many of the men that utilize Anastasia Date are not looking for women, but simply bored men who want to talk sex.
Such women are initially hired as both interpreters – to go out on dates with women who are meeting men – and as translators – to translate and assist in responding to letters. Once engaged in the agency, the woman also will be recruited to go on camera and perform chat with many different men – often simultaneously.
But there is a different approach that I have observed. It works with no less efficiency in bringing money into the company, although it does not quite offer the same direct compensation as described above where a woman is hired directly by the agency in the ‘translator’ role.
The Other Model:
In major Ukraine cities there are billboards and advertisements that encourage women to sign up with agencies. One woman reported that she was requested by a friend who had recently become one of the above TERP employees.
She was asked to put her profile up. She had no intention of dating anyone, but was simply trying to help out a friend. Other women I have talked to were intrigued by the idea of a ‘Free’ photo shoot.
A woman is attracted to the glossy pictures and ability to talk to men online. They sign up. They sign an agreement and provide their passport. A photo shoot is scheduled. During the photo shoot, if the woman is attractive, they will also ‘entice’ the woman to put up videos to additionally encourage men to communicate with them. All of these freebies have a cost. I have talked to women from three different agencies.
The first, in Kyiv, said that as soon as it became apparent that she would be a money maker for the company, the owner of the agency began a full-court press on her both to use her pictures at his discretion, and also to shoot additional videos to entice men to pay additional money.
Immediately she was offered a contract to produce a certain amount of income for the company and advised that she would have top billing as a head-liner on the website masthead. In her words – she refused. Within two weeks she was contacted and told that she had violated the terms of her agreement and that she would be forced to pay for the pictures and that her web presence was to be deleted. The alternative was that she could conform to company policy and get a stipend for the money that company made from her.
When I found her last summer and she shared that she had just had her profile reinstated and that she was now following the agency rules. As an aside, she is no longer with Anastasia Date, has migrated to UkraineDate, but Anastasia Date still maintains her profile. I asked her to come online here to share her story, but she is reluctant to do so even though she no longer lives in Kyiv.
Last summer, I met a woman in Kharkiv. She had been online for over a year and a half. Her profile was one of the most recognizable profiles on the network. She was a very pretty woman and was listed as a school teacher.
I could never understand how she was available to talk to me at 8:00 AM her time if she was teaching school. We met in Kharkiv, but by then I had already met the woman who eventually became my committed girlfriend.
This woman and I became close friends. We communicate to this day and I found her to be a valuable ally in knowing which side is up. Her story was a little different than the lady from Kyiv.
She, was, first of all, very young. She was attracted to the mystique of talking to men across the sea. After she had been online less than a month, the agency owner came to her with 500 Grivna and gave it to her as a ‘thank you’ for all the money he was making off of her.
She was told that if they (the agency) could operate her profile, without discretion, and that if she would show up to meet men that came into town, that she would continue to get money like this.
Because she was not participating – and getting paid anyway – she went along with it. In October she met a man. She had a summary page that was created by the agency that told of her ‘conversations’ with him.
After she met him, she began to receive threats from him because he was able to ascertain that it had never been her communicating with him. To protect herself she removed the profile from the system. And she is now in a relationship with a local man and they are getting married.
The third and most recent variation on this theme is quite simple. I was advised of it by my former girlfriend. It was one of her friends that went online and was quickly dismayed with the type of man she was experiencing. She asked to have her profile removed. It was taken down and she was satisfied.
Two weeks after having been removed, the profile was once again displayed and became one of the masthead profiles, displayed again and again. Obviously, the person operating this profile was counting on the fact that the woman would not, herself, be looking to see if the profile resurfaced. Her friends notified her.
She has had trouble getting it removed and had to report the agency to Anastasia Date to finally have it no longer online.
The simple truth is this: Either a woman is a willing participant and compensated for her services or, if her profile produces funds for the agency, she is either cheated or coerced into participation. Those profiles that do not produce much income are left alone.
I could go on and on and on. But the reality is that there are so many variations on the theme of how to get money from a profile which sometimes, maybe the women don’t know – and aren’t making money directly. But indirectly, the agency is supporting them and if necessary manipulating them to insure that the money still rolls in.
The people who run the agencies that I have rubbed elbows with are no more than thugs. The likelihood of an honest pay-per-letter exchange via Anastasia Date is remote. If the lady is not being paid, herself, chances are she is no longer controlling her own profile and that it is being operated by an agency employee.
One really has to consider how much time an unpaid woman would dedicate to finding a spouse, online. I can only estimate, but my guess would be three to five months, and maybe an hour a day.
Every profile that is older than this time frame is suspect. And every woman, online more than an hour a day (which is the overwhelming majority of them) is also suspect. Continue reading
Planet Love Match: Some Ukrainian girls on an international dating site that *might not* be marriage minded? Gosh. That never happened before. Hold the front page! We must alert the church elders.
Guys who don’t know their arse from their elbow wont be marrying a woman from the FSU anyway. Those who *do* know their arse from their elbow, and seek a wife, will be seeking out more suitable women for their purposes. What many men overlook is that some guys are happy to pay to chat to some hot teenager in Odessa for an hour or two. That’s all they need. Blokes who do know their arse from their elbow can use almost any site and flush out the decent prospects. All that remains then is choice, functionality, tools available and price. PLM is doing well on those fronts.
Can you meet a scammer, pro dater or pro webcam girl? For sure. Could you maybe meet your future wife? For sure. A good site can be all things to all people. Some blokes seriously seek a wife and a proper relationship. Other blokes seek an evening with the hand cream and the Kleenex. A site has no method to determine which user is which.
Remember, this is an international site. That means there is all types of motivations to be found. No site can supply pure and certificated 19 year old virgins hoping to hump Iowa blokes in their fifties. They don’t exist any more. No site can guarantee motivation of the women. What a big site that is well-marketed can do is provide the spectrum of women: marriage minded ones who dream to live in Kansas right through to Odessa teenagers who may satisfy the odd late night fantasy – and everything in-between. All you have to do is sort the wheat from the chaff. Identify the niche you want and use the site tools to drill down to that.
What a site can do is verify that the women are indeed women, and provide communication tools. Beyond that, at this price, you are pretty much on your own. If you cant be on your own and confident of getting it right, I know a Russian chap will be only too pleased to guide you towards a woman who declares love over Skype in exchange for a brick of $20 bills and a plane ticket to hold your hand whilst there. Others will sell you access to a social or a tour for another brick of cash.
There is no right or wrong way. There are merely service providers that offer different services and sites that offer different functionality and price plans. The punter chooses the route that best suits him. Many of the detractors on this topic are merely people for whom the PLM business model is not suitable. That doesn’t make it a bad model; rather, one that is simply not suitable for them, but may be suitable for many others.
Can you speak to real women in the FSU moments after signing up? Yes.
Will they all be marriage minded? No.
Will some be marriage minded? Yes.
Is it expensive to use? No.
Can you exchange contact information freely? Yes.
Are there translation facilities? Yes.
Are there Webcam facilities? Yes – in HD.
Is there live site help? Yes.
Are these “agency” women, or women at home? All kinds of women from everywhere.
Really, do you need much more? Use your common sense, don’t chase unattainable fantasies and think with the big head is all you need to do. Go look around Planet Love Match today – your ideal girl may be from Kansas, Kentucky, London, Moscow or Berlin. Planet Love Match spans the world. Don’t be left behind. Continue reading
The so-called “mail order bride” industry, which primarily is focused on Ukraine, and secondly Russia, has been changing in recent years. The days of American guys rolling up in any Russian or Ukrainian city, flashing a US passport and being swamped in model-quality girls are long gone. This is 2011, not 1991. Women are not desperate to leave any more.
Men seeking a Russian or Ukrainian wife need to understand the dynamics of the society they delve into. Men fixated on the idea of importing a model-quality wife, twenty-five years younger than themselves are likely heading for disappointment. It has passed into internet folklore the “fact” that any obese, older guy can snag himself a super sexy Eastern European wife with little more to offer than his country of residency and his wallet. He can still do that as long as he accepts that the marriage will likely not last longer than the time it takes her to get a green card or permanent residency in his country.
The sensible guys nowadays need to accept their limitations. This does not mean that a guy cannot delve into Eastern Europe, if he knows what he is doing, and end up with a well-intentioned and beautiful wife. He can. But occasionally, reality checks are in order.
I was recently communicating with a British man who had made over thirty trips to Ukraine in search of a wife. After several years, and all these trips to Ukraine, he is still wifeless. No good prospects on the cards either. In these circumstances, we must examine not only him, but what he is looking for, and ascertain if it is realistic.
The gentleman in question is in his fifties, and has one or more ex-wives in the UK. He has a number of children; some of whom are either resident with, or spend significant time with him. One of these children has some type of special needs requirement. He is a nice guy; intelligent, witty and personable from what I can make out. He is affluent enough to afford the whole foreign wife endeavour (which many men are not).
What is he seeking? A large breasted, yet extremely slim and very beautiful woman in her twenties; that is twenty to thirty years his junior. Is that realistic? No. Here was my advice to him:
Your situation isn’t what local women seek to embrace; they already eschewed it. Why would a two decade younger, beautiful one, with a large chest from a poor country embrace it? Times are a changing. Desperation is fading. Your lack of success is testament to that. A reality check is needed. Late 30’s and early 40’s is the group you should be looking in. Perhaps with a kid or two.
My advice was not well received.
What many men in a similar position fail to realise is that desperation in these countries is fading. Finances are improving and women are less likely to choose self-export via marriage as a life choice as that happens. This is underlined by the fact that the “mail order bride” industry pretty much doesn’t exist any more in the affluent corners of the former Soviet Union (FSU) and proliferates in the more impecunious corners. Scamming also proliferates in the impecunious corners as desperation breeds corruption and dishonesty.
As proof of this, if we look at some FSU countries, we will see that the “mail order bride” industry has vanished altogether. In relatively affluent Estonia, Latvia and the Czech Republic, women are not seeking self-export via marriage as a life choice. There is not a single foreign-facing marriage/dating agency in Estonia any more. There hasn’t been for a decade or more.
Compare that to Ukraine. Ukraine is still bristling with foreign-facing dating and marriage agencies; new ones are opening every day (the honesty of many of these is open to question but that is not the subject here). Russia still has many agencies based there, but fewer in the more affluent corners like Moscow and Saint Petersburg. In Russia, the agencies reside in places that fewer foreigners venture to. Places like Rostov, Samara, Togliatti (Tolyatti), Vladivostok and Barnaul.
The link between women’s desire to export themselves and average income is an undeniable fact.
On the other side of the coin, I was recently communicating with an American man who also complained about his lack of success in the Eastern European dating arena. He told me:
I am good looking, healthy and relatively young. I have a good job and make good money. I know how to treat women very well. I am enjoyable to be with. I am interested in starting a family and having children.
Most women on learning this will think, “What’s wrong with him then?” and will muse on why he can’t find a woman at home. They simply will not believe the accounts given by Americans of the bad dating environment in the US; the “entitlement” attitude they encounter, and the subsequent lack of availability of appropriate and slim women.
His “benefits” of being young, in good shape and of a normal state of mind may actually work against him in some circumstances. I would be inclined to explain to the women I wrote, in a very careful manner, why I was seeking a woman from abroad if in his shoes (without disrespecting my local women). Its like sales training for those that ever had it; overcome the customer’s objections before they are even raised. Marketing oneself long-distance to women is a skill that takes honing and development.
The introduction letter is a vital tool; a first impression that cannot be left to chance. One must hire a competent Russian interpreter and translator to help craft and hone your introduction letter. Preferably a female one, as women understand the target market: Women.
Understanding the society you are delving in is also essential. You cannot rely on the twaddle written on dating sites. Russian dating sites are geared up toward telling you what you want to hear. They will wax lyrical about how these ladies “love to make cosy home” and “love to cook tasty meals” – which may be true sometimes. But not all the time. You will find the same guff written on the profile of many “professional daters” (scammers to you), often from Odessa or Kiev, who entertain a different foreign guy each weekend, and have a Prada and D&G fetish. Preferably at your expense.
To get to the real facts about a Russian or Ukrainian wife, and how, in 2011/12, you can find one, you need to educate yourself. This means learning from those who have spent much time in the former Soviet Union; and who are in a cross cultural marriage already.
The road to a beautiful Russian or Ukrainian wife is still possible to travel; but you must enter the arena educated and with a good idea in advance of what is possible and what is not.
The “mail order bride” industry is changing. Marriage agencies are not the future. As Russian and Ukrainian women embrace the internet at home, social networks are the way forward. Sites like Planet Love Match have recognised this already and are responding to the changing environment. Mix the dating site together with a social networking site, in both languages – brilliant but simple.
Foreign dating is changing. Get ahead of the curve by educating yourself.
Stuart J. Smith is the co-author of the Russian Bride Guide: How to meet, court and marry a woman from the former Soviet Union. He has guested on many radio shows on the “mail order bride” subject. He runs the busiest Russian women information discussion forum on the internet today. Continue reading
I just got back from Odessa where I was to meet a woman i have been talking to for over a year. The last night she told me she wanted me to come back and we would keep in touch over emails. I have been home over a month now and still havent heard from her. Continue reading