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The Forum Has Changed Direction a Little to Include More Travel, Culture, News and Politics.
The site was stuck in what is a dying and declining niche. When the site first started back in the mid naughties, it was firmly aimed at what some termed the “mail-order bride” niche. The FSU dating scene was then – although slowing down – still a vibrant industry. It was mostly centred on Ukraine the last decade or so, and most of those travelling there to meet women were from the US.
However, as you will know, a year and a half ago, there was a western-backed coup d’etat in Ukraine that saw the overthrow of the elected president and the installation of a new regime in Kiev. Subsequently, Crimea reunified with Russia and the east of Ukraine broke away into independent regions. Since then, civil war has raged in Ukraine while the new borders are being defined.
Against a backdrop of significantly reduced dating-related travel to the region, Crimea reunifying with Russia, increased American aggression against Russia, US/EU sanctions against Russia, counter sanctions from Russia, civil war in Ukraine and the MH17 crash, it isn’t hard to see why the forum became quickly dominated by these topics of discussion. So we decided to roll with it and reorganise the site somewhat.
If you take a fresh look at the placement of the forum rooms, you will find the dating and marriage sections have been condensed and moved further down the page. Up closer to the top you will find Cyrillic & Language, FSU News & Politics, Visas, Travel Discussion, Travel Reports, Culinary, Culture, Russian/Ukrainian Media and Expat Chat closer to the top. While we still have a lot of chat pertaining to dating in the former Soviet Union, you will find it isn’t as dominant as it once was.
Guys, if you are already married and haven’t visited us in a while, you can tell your wife it is a political, news and travel forum more than a dating forum nowadays. We know we lost a few of the married guys as their wives objected to them participating in what they saw as a ‘dating forum’. Yes, we still have some dating ads along with other types of ads, but like any site, we have to pay the bills. There is a topic on that here: Site Funding. Supporting Members. Q&A.
We would like to give you a few links to, and a little background about some of the recent popular topics. Continue reading
Russian Ukrainian Adventures Newsletter – Summer 2014.
It has been a while since we sent out a newsletter, several years in fact. So we thought one was long overdue.
We would like to bring you up-to-date on the happenings at RUA in recent months.
The Forum Continues To Go From Strength to Strength!
The forum has been rather busy in recent months. We remain not only the busiest Russian women information discussion forum on the net by far, but we are also now the largest by a sizeable margin, and have been for some time.
As RUA continues to grow, so does our membership. We picked up many more new members recently following our decision to close our sister site GoGabber.com (the old Lucky Lovers forum) to new posts. That resulted in a much welcomed influx or Russian and Ukrainian ladies to RUA. If you have recently joined us from GoGabber – welcome! You are in good company. You will find many people you already know here.
Unless you have been hiding under a rock the last few months, you will know about the troubles in Ukraine. As you would expect, the forum is replete with conversation and lively debate on the subject, and as it is such an emotive subject for many people, the topics have been quite frenetic. Continue reading
Она не верила в сайты знакомств до тех пор, пока мой муж чуть ли не силком заставил ее выслать ему ее любимую фотографию и сам собственноручно открыл ей страничку на том самом сайте, где мы встретили друг друга (www.luckylovers.net) Указал ее возраст- написал ей в анкете какие-то интересы …и она стла ждать.
Мужчины кинулись писать часто и много. Но она совсем не знала английского, а тех курсов, на которые она ходила чуть ли не целых два года, как оказалось, недостаточно даже для элементарного понимания. Западным мужчинам же хочется романтики. Хочется видеть женщину по вебкамере и кричать ей по Skype какая она прекрасная и слышать что-то в ответ.
Что-то, что можно понять. Она же только махала рукой, смеялась от смущения и как девочка посылала бесконечные воздушные поцелуи. Что она могла сказать в ответ? Мужчины исчезали с такой же скоростью, что и появлялись. (К новичкам на сайтах знакомств всегда повышенные интерес. Но стоит упустить “первую волну” интереса.. и, считай, все пропало. Не подал себя как следует сразу- потом не наверстать.
Но два претендента на руку и сердце так с самого начала и остались с нашей героиней. Не отвалилсиь по пути. Не потерялись. Ежедневные длиннющие письма и бескрайнее терпение к ее ответам, состоящим из двух-трех предложений. Первый – геренал американской армии, по внешнему виду метис, он буквально завалил ее своими фотоснимками.
То вот он, коротко стриженый и совершенно седой со шлемом пилота в руках и за штурвалом военного истребителя. А вот – в кителе, увешанный наградами. А тут он командует. А вот он в обнимку с дочкой, – светлокожей длинноногой красавицей лет семнадцати. Пишет, что собирается выйти на пенсию.
И вот-вот, стоит лишь чуть-чуть подождать, – они увидятся. Он прилетит к ней, своей жене ( “женой” от стал звать ее уже с пятого, кажется, письма)хоть куда. Хоть на край всвета. И все у них будет хорошо. Она не будет больше никогда работать, потому что денег у него много и все, чем они будут заниматься, – это любить друг друга и путешествоавать.
Он писал красивые длинные -предлинные письма с морем орфографических ошибок. Я прочла по просьбе моей подруги парочку из них и подумала:”Бывает же Любовь!” Муж прочел (уже по моей просьбе) и удивился, отчего генерал американской армии пишет с ошибками?
– Так он же нерусский!- встаю я на защиту Любви.
-Но он же генерал американской армии, а не русской! Американцы в нашей армии – исключительно люди грамотные., – не сдается муж.
– Да, он генерал американской армии, но он же из Афганистана пишет. Он же там воюет! – брызгаю я слюной.
– Ну, Марина, что на это сказать? Остается единственная версия в его пользу:он слишком долго уже живет и воюет в Афганистане. Continue reading
Reviewing Anastasia Date -Two models for agency financial success:
Various different forum threads have reported the recruitment of ‘Translators’ and ‘Interpreters’ into the agencies that feed Anastasia Date.
There are both agency descriptions (of how to recruit TERPS) in the home site and there are advertisements that were previously reported here and on various online forums.
This recruitment for paid ‘translators’ is indicative of a model for having women appear on camera or on chat to deceive the men users into thinking that they are chatting with someone who wants to find a husband. In a recent post, we see that many of the men that utilize Anastasia Date are not looking for women, but simply bored men who want to talk sex.
Such women are initially hired as both interpreters – to go out on dates with women who are meeting men – and as translators – to translate and assist in responding to letters. Once engaged in the agency, the woman also will be recruited to go on camera and perform chat with many different men – often simultaneously.
But there is a different approach that I have observed. It works with no less efficiency in bringing money into the company, although it does not quite offer the same direct compensation as described above where a woman is hired directly by the agency in the ‘translator’ role.
The Other Model:
In major Ukraine cities there are billboards and advertisements that encourage women to sign up with agencies. One woman reported that she was requested by a friend who had recently become one of the above TERP employees.
She was asked to put her profile up. She had no intention of dating anyone, but was simply trying to help out a friend. Other women I have talked to were intrigued by the idea of a ‘Free’ photo shoot.
A woman is attracted to the glossy pictures and ability to talk to men online. They sign up. They sign an agreement and provide their passport. A photo shoot is scheduled. During the photo shoot, if the woman is attractive, they will also ‘entice’ the woman to put up videos to additionally encourage men to communicate with them. All of these freebies have a cost. I have talked to women from three different agencies.
The first, in Kyiv, said that as soon as it became apparent that she would be a money maker for the company, the owner of the agency began a full-court press on her both to use her pictures at his discretion, and also to shoot additional videos to entice men to pay additional money.
Immediately she was offered a contract to produce a certain amount of income for the company and advised that she would have top billing as a head-liner on the website masthead. In her words – she refused. Within two weeks she was contacted and told that she had violated the terms of her agreement and that she would be forced to pay for the pictures and that her web presence was to be deleted. The alternative was that she could conform to company policy and get a stipend for the money that company made from her.
When I found her last summer and she shared that she had just had her profile reinstated and that she was now following the agency rules. As an aside, she is no longer with Anastasia Date, has migrated to UkraineDate, but Anastasia Date still maintains her profile. I asked her to come online here to share her story, but she is reluctant to do so even though she no longer lives in Kyiv.
Last summer, I met a woman in Kharkiv. She had been online for over a year and a half. Her profile was one of the most recognizable profiles on the network. She was a very pretty woman and was listed as a school teacher.
I could never understand how she was available to talk to me at 8:00 AM her time if she was teaching school. We met in Kharkiv, but by then I had already met the woman who eventually became my committed girlfriend.
This woman and I became close friends. We communicate to this day and I found her to be a valuable ally in knowing which side is up. Her story was a little different than the lady from Kyiv.
She, was, first of all, very young. She was attracted to the mystique of talking to men across the sea. After she had been online less than a month, the agency owner came to her with 500 Grivna and gave it to her as a ‘thank you’ for all the money he was making off of her.
She was told that if they (the agency) could operate her profile, without discretion, and that if she would show up to meet men that came into town, that she would continue to get money like this.
Because she was not participating – and getting paid anyway – she went along with it. In October she met a man. She had a summary page that was created by the agency that told of her ‘conversations’ with him.
After she met him, she began to receive threats from him because he was able to ascertain that it had never been her communicating with him. To protect herself she removed the profile from the system. And she is now in a relationship with a local man and they are getting married.
The third and most recent variation on this theme is quite simple. I was advised of it by my former girlfriend. It was one of her friends that went online and was quickly dismayed with the type of man she was experiencing. She asked to have her profile removed. It was taken down and she was satisfied.
Two weeks after having been removed, the profile was once again displayed and became one of the masthead profiles, displayed again and again. Obviously, the person operating this profile was counting on the fact that the woman would not, herself, be looking to see if the profile resurfaced. Her friends notified her.
She has had trouble getting it removed and had to report the agency to Anastasia Date to finally have it no longer online.
The simple truth is this: Either a woman is a willing participant and compensated for her services or, if her profile produces funds for the agency, she is either cheated or coerced into participation. Those profiles that do not produce much income are left alone.
I could go on and on and on. But the reality is that there are so many variations on the theme of how to get money from a profile which sometimes, maybe the women don’t know – and aren’t making money directly. But indirectly, the agency is supporting them and if necessary manipulating them to insure that the money still rolls in.
The people who run the agencies that I have rubbed elbows with are no more than thugs. The likelihood of an honest pay-per-letter exchange via Anastasia Date is remote. If the lady is not being paid, herself, chances are she is no longer controlling her own profile and that it is being operated by an agency employee.
One really has to consider how much time an unpaid woman would dedicate to finding a spouse, online. I can only estimate, but my guess would be three to five months, and maybe an hour a day.
Every profile that is older than this time frame is suspect. And every woman, online more than an hour a day (which is the overwhelming majority of them) is also suspect. Continue reading
Whilst some foreign women are open to the idea of foreign guys, the language issue is a major hurdle to overcome. Many Russian and Ukrainian women surf the internet seeking foreign guys on forums and such in search of them.
However, the thought of a group of foreign guys discussing them en masse is a bit of a turn off for many. Many think some of the conversations are not entirely tasteful or respectful. At least, that’s the feedback I have had.
People on internet forums speak casually, with many errors and with much slang, it is not an ideal place to practice or develop English. There are also many variants of English language (and spellings) here from across the world. Occasionally, Aussies must translate something for the Brits; or the Brits for the Yanks, etc. How does a non-native speaker go on unless they are beyond fluent? And few are.
Our sharp humour and side-splitting repartee (where it exists) seldom translates literally; rather, it requires interpretation. Software cannot interpret; only people can. So the women who read here using a translation programme often read gobbledygook where the English variants, grammatical and spelling errors, slang and second meanings form a jumble of words that are far from what was intended by the respective authors.
Can bad English damage your communications?
It can. Many people try to cobble together a relationship with poor communication fuelled by free software translation. Software makes many errors; but more importantly, software is only as good as what you put into it.
As many will know, my wife does a lot of translation for guys in this pursuit. A few weeks ago, a guy sent her something for translation that she read, and read again, and much of it made no sense to her. The reason? No paragraphs, little punctuation or capitalisation and atrocious spelling and grammar.
She asked me if I would mind running quickly through it with a spell check, putting in a few paragraph breaks, and correcting the big howlers and try to turn it into something in a few minutes that she could comprehend. I did, and from that, she was able to make it in Russian, be what it was intended to be.
Missing punctuation leads to much ambiguity; meaning that one must ask the author what they meant, rather than it being clear in the first place. Get the punctuation right and the message (not to mention the translation) will be clear. Here is a good example of how altering punctuation can change the meaning:
A woman without her man is nothing.
A woman: without her, man is nothing.
I guess the point of the topic is to highlight to guys the importance of using the best English you are able to, when in communication with Russian, Ukrainian and FSU women. Continue reading
So you are seeking a woman from the former Soviet Union? Likely Russia or Ukraine. Ukraine has no visa requirements, so is easier right? In Ukraine, all the pretty girls seem to be from Odessa and Kiev. Why is that? I think this … Continue reading